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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters

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they exist among us and sometimes they

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win even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the moon

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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phantoms of monsters radio

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where we explore and discuss the unknown

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the unexplained i'm your host lon

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stricker thanks for joining me

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now tonight

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we have morgan knudsen with us

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co-founding and leading anthony secret

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paranormal research

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and teaching since 2003

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morgan knutson experiences and knowledge

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has led to researching and co-creating a

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unique investigative program

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called teaching the living

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and subsequently has been featured on

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hosted numerous

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specials live presentations and tv shows

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like uh discover channel it's a haunting

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uh

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tne destination america travel channel

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cbc

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ctv

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planet plus tlc crime plus

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investigations celestial tiger networks

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in china and of course coast to coast am

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now morgan's programs are now practiced

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in three different countries and part of

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numerous social work and psychology

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secondary courses education courses in

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canada

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she is also a regular contributor to

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number one magazine uk haunted magazine

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her work has been presented at the rhine

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research institute in her book teaching

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the living

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heartbreak to happiness in a haunted

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home is now available

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and we will be talking about that this

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evening so morgan thanks for joining me

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hey it's good to be here

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now teaching the living what do you have

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to teach the living

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it's definitely not me doing the

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teaching it's actually non-physical

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doing the teaching

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but it is it really is about uh the the

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basis for the program is is really about

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our emotional and connection with with

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non-physical and psy it's something that

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i think gets negated so often with

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paranormal research is that we think you

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know this is something that's external

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completely that it's always happening to

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us and what i've found is that it

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doesn't happen to us it happens through

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so teaching the living is really about

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that it's about reconnecting with who we

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are so that we can understand that what

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we get back in the in the world whether

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it be through paranormal phenomenon

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physical phenomena whatever it happens

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to be is a reflection of of where we are

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emotionally psychologically

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and and spiritually

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so in your program how do you start and

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continue with it to actually you know

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different types of tools explain a bit

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to us about it

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really with with

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with teaching the living depending on

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what's what setting i'm in it's really

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getting to be getting to get people to

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who they are what they're presenting

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into the world and what they're

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projecting into the world if what kind

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of person are you being and i'm not

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talking about what you're doing

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physically and what type of actions

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you're taking i'm talking about how you

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that it's about getting people to

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understand that how we are on that

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emotional level is being reflected back

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to us so for me go whether i'm dealing

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with a client or whether i'm in the

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classroom talking with with you know

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students from other countries or

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whatever it is it really becomes about

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that deep dive and when they they see

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where they are in reflection as to

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then things start to click into place as

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to why the things are happening that the

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that acknowledgement and then meeting

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people where they are because often my

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programs are in like social worker

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getting them to understand that

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everybody has a different

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perspective and bead on happiness on you

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know that better feeling place that

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everybody really wants to get to and

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interestingly enough the environment the

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outer environment begins to reflect back

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to us that emotional shift and change so

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the people who are experiencing say the

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nasty paranormal activity that nobody

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wants to deal with in their home

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that begins to shift into either

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something that is is better feeling or

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it disappears or something like that

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happens so the programs are based off of

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a lot of

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people through that have researched this

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throughout history dr william role's

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work dr scott rojo's work people like

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that and uh it just takes it to that

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next level and makes it practical for

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so the anthology is basically that

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they can find ways to deal with

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say paranormal activity hauntings and

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such on their own terms

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yeah and to to to shift it for to shift

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their lives for the better

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overall in general with a long-term

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lasting solution right um you know not

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something that's a temporary fix but

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something that is going to shift that

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for them for for the good and then they

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can be aware of it going forward

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yeah because as we know um a lot of

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times hauntings

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are a result of the way people live

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you put it out there to try to get them

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to change that and and

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which is something i've been trying to

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do from the very beginning what i'm

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doing with clients is uh you know

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you've got to change uh the way you live

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dysfunction here and

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other things going on that cause a lot

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of this yeah uh so that's what you're

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talking about absolutely and you know we

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see it played out again and again you

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within past research as i was saying

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in regards to things like psychokinesis

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connection to what is going on what is

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being projected in our environment and

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you know we can we can see it on such a

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a very basic level as um you know when

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we're going to the office in the morning

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and we walk into the room and if you're

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having a bad day up to you get to the

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office you can almost guarantee you're

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gonna have a bad day the rest of your

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um and it's just stuff starts to

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snowball and you're going like well this

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went wrong and that went wrong and uh

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you know it's like the whole day was

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horrible um but it might have started

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out like you stubbed your toe and you've

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taken that energy into the rest of your

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day and so it's it's really about

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stopping that momentum and like you were

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saying and i think this is such a such a

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good point where you know it's like the

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things that people are bringing into

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their life and bringing into their

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environment and they're just they're

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really not conscious of their own role

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uh people are having issues and uh the

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first thing you think is well i've got a

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at is well who's the cause of it maybe

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somebody here is actually causing this

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yeah you know pk activity is

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it's it's an interesting phenomenon and

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where that can go into some person's

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overall life

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and work in at play anywhere you know

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that it it it kind of starts there

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and like you say snow's ball and just

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snowballs into something bigger

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even relationships yeah big time yeah if

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it's if it's going down the hole in one

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area it's likely bleeding into other

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areas is what i've found it never is

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something that's isolated and usually as

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and you've probably seen this before as

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well as you start talking to clients and

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you start delving into where they are

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and on a personal level and you can see

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where things have gone off the rails

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and it's just it really is become it

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becomes a symptom rather than a a direct

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so how do you deal with this

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what's what's your procedure how do you

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training people to recognize this and to

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is is so important is what we we started

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talking about which was to get a bead on

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on their own

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present state of being because it's so

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touch with actually what they're feeling

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and where they are

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i can't count the amount of clients that

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i've talked to and i said okay tell me

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about the stressors that are going on in

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your experience and they'll go my life

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don't know what you mean

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take the mask off sit down tell me about

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the stress what what's going on and

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sometimes it takes a while for them to

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sort of piece through it and go oh my

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god well wait a minute like there is oh

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there's this and there's that and you

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know well my kid's kind of falling apart

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and well this job's kind of falling

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apart and you know well things haven't

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been good in this area um but they're so

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just wrote within their own dialogue

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that they're to say oh i'm fine

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everything's great you know that this is

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what they do um so that's really becomes

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the first step and then it becomes a

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matter of taking a look at at goals you

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know what is it that you want how do you

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want to feel in your life because it's

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not this

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um and getting them to start to pinpoint

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what is it that you actually want to

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feel um so and then depending on the

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person because everybody's different

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everybody's got a different version of

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what

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joy in their own life looks like um so

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each case is very specific but you know

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once you rule out all of the the the

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natural explanations and you rule out

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the psychological and the mental and the

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these all of the the you know the normal

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things you touch on

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then you you have to start to work with

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them and sometimes you have to work with

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the community around them and start to

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build them into a better place and as i

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say it's different for everybody

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um you know nobody is the same but it's

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uh you know it's getting them to start

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recognizing these emotions and then

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taking a look at the haunting and

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figuring out you know what where is the

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pattern when is this stuff happening

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what's going on in your experience that

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when this stuff is happening is there a

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precursor

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so you're looking at patterns you want

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the short term solutions and then you

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want them to get a long vision where are

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you going what are you doing what's your

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purpose

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um interesting

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we had a quick question here do

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paranormal entities prefer harassing

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those who are low energy

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i love that question um the way i always

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i always look at this is almost like a a

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emotional continuum if you look at your

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emotions as if they're on a radio dial

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and i use this example quite a bit

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especially in my book

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where if you look at your emotions

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almost like you've got the negative

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emotions on the on the far end and maybe

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some of the really dark ones like grief

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or depression or things like that all

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the way up to the middle which might be

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frustration or contentment maybe boredom

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is in there and then way at the other

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end you've got like passion and fun and

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joy and all of those things

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and what i've what i've found over the

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years and i think what others in

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parapsychology have found as well is

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that when you're down in to those

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negative emotions your emotions are

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almost like a radio dial they're picking

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up on a signal and that signal is

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broadcasting

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so you're not going to tune into country

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music down here when the country music

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station is up here you're gonna resonate

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with whatever is sitting on that

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frequency so if you're sitting in a

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place of grief or anger or depression or

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anything like that typically that's the

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type of energies that you end up

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resonating with both on the person side

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of things the living side of things as

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well as the paranormal side of things

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everything is on a frequency so when you

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end up tuning yourself out of that and

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you move up that emotional scale then

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what you receive starts to become very

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different and it's not really a matter

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of fighting whatever it is down here

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it's a matter of just tuning yourself

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out of it um and and allowing that to

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just let go

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so for me it's not necessarily that

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there you know you've got a negative

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entity that's that's feeding on negative

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emotion or anything like that but rather

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you're just resonating with them at the

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time um you can tune yourself away from

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that but it does take some emotional

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work

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yeah i have found

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in the past

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and i don't know how relevant this is

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but

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you'll be involved with the situation

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with a client

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and uh

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it always seems to be something there

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like an illness

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or

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a past experience grief somebody's past

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or somebody's broke up had a

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relationship

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that always seems like yep something's

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coming in to fill the vacuum yeah and

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starts causing

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issues

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uh

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and a lot of times and this is one thing

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i have found out and talked about a lot

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many of the times when i do work with

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clients

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uh they have abilities as well yeah

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they're like what i call a beacon

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so uh you know and it is it's difficult

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you know i've been with cases for years

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with people trying to get them to

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understand what what's really going on

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uh

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maybe your concepts are something i need

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to use or look into

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i find it's really helpful because it

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gets people

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to engage the process a little bit more

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um instead of just it pointing outwards

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and and

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going into blame mode or going to victim

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mode

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because that's what i find a lot of

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people do and and part of it's because

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you know our media and things like that

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have kind of trained us into that we've

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we see these shows where it's like you

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know these people are victims of this

430
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outside thing and that other side of

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it's not really presented so many people

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just don't go there in their head

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um you know but then you get the idea as

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well and you you've probably had this

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also where that state of being of uh you

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know this whatever it is that's

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happening to them has almost become a

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bit of an identity for them where

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they're just like you know what i'm the

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i'm the unique person that this is

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happening to and if i let this go

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what does that mean for my uniqueness

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what does that mean for me

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um so i've had that as well so

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i think i think the readiness for change

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in the book i talk about four stages of

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readiness and the last one being um

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that they're so sick to death of where

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they are they're ready to hear you

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um and i think before they're before

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that stage of readiness a lot of a lot

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of people they're just they're they're

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not going to move on it because

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this concept and

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where it can throw people is that

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it takes some deep diving into sometimes

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some painful places

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and

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that can be something that people don't

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want to do they want to just gloss it

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over you know they think if i just bury

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it enough it's not happening but the

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reality is as you and i both know is if

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you start to bury that stuff then

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whenever you start to gloss over a wound

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it gets infected

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and it starts to bleed and it starts to

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ooze and fester and that's really what

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ends up happening with with these

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situations where you're burying this

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stuff you know that's fine but don't

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yeah and you know and you know i've got

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a bugaboo about paranormal tv in general

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but uh you know yeah

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you see a lot of that when you know

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you've got a case presented on a show

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but they don't go into the real factors

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as far as what's going on with the

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actual person itself

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and uh you know i i was i used to sit

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there and watch these shows

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and and say to myself but there's

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something going else going on here that

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they're not telling us

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and it used to really bug the hell out

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of me because uh you know because of

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that

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and

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i i'm not saying that there's going to

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be

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that some of these shows are going to

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start changing that format because i

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don't think they will for commercials

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uh but uh it would be nice i mean if

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there was more explanation behind the

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case

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yeah i know on uh i do guest spots on

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both haunted hospitals and paranormal

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9-1-1 and uh it's it's always

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interesting because you know i'll be

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looking at these cases and i always have

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them send me stacks of information like

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all the interviews i'm like i don't want

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just

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i don't want a summary of the case i

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want you to send me the interviews

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because usually once because basically

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my for those of you guys who haven't

509
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haven't seen the show i i basically give

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my take on people's reports and opinions

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so

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um

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uh i will get you know one of these

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cases and i try my best in the short

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amount of time that i have to try to

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drill down to to what actually might be

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going on and sometimes it's it's not

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what people want to hear if they want to

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hear this other explanation but i'm i'm

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i'm a stickler for turning around and

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saying no

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no this is you know you brought me here

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you're gonna get my opinion

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whether you like it or not

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um and it might not it's it's not gonna

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be the you know the terrifying

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horrifying story that you probably are

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looking for

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yeah i hear that all the time i mean you

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know i will tell them in my opinion what

531
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i think is going on and they look at you

532
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like but and tell you that's not what i

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want to hear

534
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yep well oh yeah that's the facts

535
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it's the facts yeah absolutely yeah

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i got another question from space cadet

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lonnie uh question how

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do you tell the difference between

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intuition

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and worry

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oh

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that is a really really good question

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thank you

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um

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i think one of the best ways to figure

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out

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what's intuition versus what is worry is

548
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how does it feel when

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it's when it's happening to you

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how does it feel um i talk i've got

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another book coming out in the next

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little while called the gift of instinct

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and i have an entire chapter in there

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about exactly this and there's two types

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of fear that i've found over the years

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of doing this one is

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learn fear and the other is connected

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fear

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and what's really interesting is that in

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learned fear learn fear usually has a

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backstory we can usually figure out

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where we've

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gotten this from where it's like you

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know what i've you know my mother was

565
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,480
afraid of spiders and so therefore i'm

566
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,480
afraid of spiders or i had this incident

567
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,000
or something like that there's a story

568
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,159
that we're telling ourselves that's not

569
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:46,720
coming from a

570
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,320
basically

571
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,799
um where with connected fear connected

572
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,720
fear is a little bit different connected

573
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,159
fear is something that will save your

574
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,000
life and

575
00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:00,480
that com that's not coming from a story

576
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,840
you're telling yourself about a

577
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,159
situation that's coming from somewhere

578
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:06,000
else and what i found is that connected

579
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,360
fear has a feeling behind it and it's

580
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,480
the same it's the same instinct that

581
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,640
you'll have an antelope out in the field

582
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,559
and that antelope will be you know

583
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,159
eating its grass and whatever and

584
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:19,919
suddenly it sits up

585
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,159
and it knows instinctively that there is

586
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,480
a lion in the grass and it knows that

587
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,880
and it's not because it's telling itself

588
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:28,720
a story about the lion in the grass

589
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,240
there's an intuitive notion about it and

590
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,000
what's fascinating is that when people

591
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,400
act on intuition it's like those heard

592
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,400
of antelope those antelope

593
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,400
other people who are

594
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,120
who are in in um

595
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,520
in connection with your with your with

596
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,320
that intuition and instinct will know

597
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,320
your right and they will go with you and

598
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,679
that's why a herd will move with the

599
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,600
with the one antelope that realizes

600
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:56,080
there's something wrong um so i think

601
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,440
there's there's a couple of different

602
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,200
ways here that you can you can look at

603
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,200
it and one is determining is this

604
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,760
connected fear or is this a learned fear

605
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,000
and when you can make that distinction

606
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,720
then you can start to work through

607
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:10,559
you know how how does this feel within

608
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,640
me and you'll you'll know you'll know

609
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:16,559
yeah that that's that's interesting

610
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,280
because i have uh why i'm intuitive and

611
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,159
you know but when i talk to people

612
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,919
that i'm working with

613
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,280
one of the first things i tell them and

614
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,280
i used to say it all the time is fear

615
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,200
sees

616
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,480
yeah you know

617
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,480
it doesn't matter with it unless it's

618
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,919
something you've learned or something

619
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,520
like you said that something it's

620
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,280
instinctive

621
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:40,080
it's it's always there you may not think

622
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:41,679
it's there

623
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:42,640
but

624
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,600
it kind of forms every judgment

625
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,440
especially if there's something

626
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:49,760
like like a haunting or such and there's

627
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:50,720
you know

628
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,679
any type of encounter the fear is what

629
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:56,559
really motivates drives everything

630
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,440
and you know it causes all kinds of uh

631
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,919
the brain to go different ways and start

632
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,520
making you think a lot of different

633
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:05,120
things

634
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:05,840
yeah

635
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:10,559
when you

636
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,200
into those more positive emotions what's

637
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,440
interesting is that that

638
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:19,120
argument that you'll have with yourself

639
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,400
about

640
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,200
connected or learned fear disappears

641
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,880
and when you're in those higher levels

642
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,480
of emotions when you're in joy and

643
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,320
things like that what ends up happening

644
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:30,640
is that that starts to shift and you end

645
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,440
up

646
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,679
going places or instinctively going

647
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:36,159
places or you're pulled or called to

648
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,280
places

649
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,919
because you're going somewhere better

650
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,520
rather than avoiding something you're

651
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,000
afraid of so what i find is when you're

652
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,960
doing the emotional work it becomes not

653
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,559
so much about

654
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,960
this you know oh i've got to get away

655
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,799
from this because i'm afraid it's like

656
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,240
hey there's something really nice over

657
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,919
there and i want to go see what it is

658
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,840
and then it turns out you know you you

659
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,360
miss the thing

660
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,960
that you know what was going to cause

661
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,960
you trouble to start with and so that's

662
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:05,520
an interesting distinction too

663
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,480
um

664
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,799
vincent asked uh and

665
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,720
i mean this is a pretty straight-up

666
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:12,799
question do some negatives

667
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,400
entities use fear against you of course

668
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:19,360
yeah like i mean it's i think any any

669
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,400
time you're you're dealing with a

670
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:22,640
predator right if you've got something

671
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,600
that is uh that that sees a weakness or

672
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:28,400
can exploit a weakness it will um you

673
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,360
know and

674
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,279
the key is with a lot of these

675
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,600
situations is again is to bring your

676
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,760
bring a certain level of presence into

677
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,679
the room with you if you come into a

678
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,679
space and you're feeling fear or

679
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,480
agitation or upset then you know again

680
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:44,080
you're resonating with something there

681
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,520
that you're you're gonna end up having

682
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,440
an interaction with it in the same way

683
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,039
that if you walk into a room and you're

684
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,880
dealing with an animal that animal if

685
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,880
you if you walk into a room with a dog

686
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,720
and you know you've got that presence

687
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,640
about you then it's going to be read

688
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:58,400
that way and it's it's not going to end

689
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,200
well

690
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,039
um you know but so with with entities

691
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:02,480
it's kind of the same thing especially

692
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,200
with the negative ones because they act

693
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:07,039
they behave so differently than than

694
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,039
people um so yeah i mean i i think i i

695
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,360
think any time that you're you're coming

696
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,880
into a situation no matter what the

697
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,720
situation is with with that type of

698
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,200
energy then you you're putting yourself

699
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,600
at a disadvantage and a in a place of

700
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,000
disempowerment

701
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,200
now in in your teachings um

702
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,600
and you and you told me before the show

703
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:31,760
that you do less

704
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,400
now as far as investigation and more so

705
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,320
on the academic side

706
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:39,360
uh do you think that

707
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,400
people that actually do a paranormal

708
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,159
investigations can learn from you

709
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,039
in order to deal with clients

710
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,360
yeah um you know i think

711
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,679
i i what i hope to bring to the table

712
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:54,400
anyway is a different way of

713
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,200
of

714
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,279
seeing these situations so that it

715
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,240
becomes more about empowering the people

716
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,320
rather than about chasing something that

717
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:04,480
we can't necessarily control

718
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,760
and it i what i'd like to see

719
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:09,679
people do is become a little bit more

720
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,200
invested in parapsychology um rather

721
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,360
than just the sort of the ghost hunting

722
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:17,760
thrill ride that often is portrayed in

723
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,799
the media because i think once people

724
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,200
get into the the foundations of

725
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,039
parapsychology you know people and

726
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,440
researchers like jb ryan and william

727
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,039
roll and you know all of these

728
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,880
incredible the

729
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:32,799
giants that the shoulders that we stand

730
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:33,520
on

731
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,640
um you know you begin to piece this out

732
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,240
a little bit a little bit different and

733
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:39,760
you look at the client a little bit

734
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,320
differently um you know it's less about

735
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,400
the house and it's more about you know

736
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,480
what's going on how can you change

737
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,159
somebody's life for the better from the

738
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,640
inside out so that's what i'm hoping

739
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,400
that that people can take away from it

740
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,400
and for the people who are having these

741
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,240
experiences and trying to understand

742
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,880
what is going on to turn around and go

743
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,360
hey wait a minute this makes sense this

744
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,039
isn't some random thing this is

745
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,720
something that you know i can start to

746
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,039
fix i can take steps right now to be

747
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,600
able to correct this

748
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,600
now your title your book suggests that

749
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,520
you may have had some type of paranormal

750
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,360
experience that started this

751
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,440
this whole thing all for you uh can you

752
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,520
tell us what happened yeah absolutely

753
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:21,919
you know i had i've lived in in haunted

754
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,039
places all my life um originally uh the

755
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:26,880
first one i lived in was in in british

756
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,480
columbia and uh you know we i was very

757
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,360
young at the time i was about nine and

758
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,279
uh we lived in this duke this i guess

759
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,440
was a fourplex and

760
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,000
i there had been activity going on for

761
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,679
quite a while there we were renovating

762
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,799
the house

763
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,559
and there was stuff going on all the

764
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,840
time we would hear

765
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,240
uh the typical footsteps in the house

766
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,799
we'd see apparitions um stuff was

767
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,440
disappearing and coming back we had uh

768
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,600
we'd see impressions on the bed like

769
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,760
somebody was laying on the bed um so

770
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:59,840
there was really like just the typical

771
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:02,240
haunting things that were happening but

772
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,360
um

773
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,120
i would i remember the one morning i

774
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,200
heard somebody downstairs in the kitchen

775
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,120
and i came downstairs because i thought

776
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,960
okay it's my mom and dad they're up but

777
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,640
it was early it was about five six in

778
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,399
the morning it was still dark

779
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,080
and i came down the stairs and i noticed

780
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,720
the light was on in the kitchen

781
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,960
and i got to the bottom of the steps and

782
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:23,120
i said hello now where the steps were

783
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,240
and where the kitchen was you couldn't

784
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,679
see into the kitchen but you could just

785
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,120
tell the light was on

786
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:29,840
and the i heard footsteps in there that

787
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:33,120
just quit as soon as i said hello quit

788
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,320
and

789
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:36,399
okay that's odd

790
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,760
and when the noise quit my instinct went

791
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,440
through the roof my intuition went up

792
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,000
and i was like that's not my parents i

793
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:45,520
don't know what this is it's not my

794
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,159
parents and i couldn't even move like i

795
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,240
was so terrified i couldn't even move

796
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:52,399
and i went to turn the light on which

797
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,760
was right beside me it was like one of

798
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:55,279
those little switch lights if you turn

799
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,520
the turn the knob light wouldn't work so

800
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,840
i freaked out and i like went up the

801
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:03,279
stairs i was trying to call for help my

802
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,720
mom and dad came down the stairs so i

803
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,240
met them halfway

804
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,520
and

805
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:09,039
they thought somebody had broken into

806
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,080
the house

807
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,799
so my dad went downstairs like totally

808
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:15,120
prepared to beat this guy up

809
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,080
and

810
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,080
he turned on the light that i couldn't

811
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,919
turn on and it turned on

812
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,919
instantly no problem

813
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,080
and whatever it was was gone

814
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:26,960
um but i to this day remember clear as a

815
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:30,399
bell a opaque shape coming out of that

816
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,440
kitchen

817
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,720
at me like

818
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:34,559
completely remember that

819
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,600
and uh it was yeah it was it was so

820
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,080
impactful and it's it terrified me but

821
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:42,000
once i got over the fear

822
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:42,880
then

823
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,080
it was fascination it was like what was

824
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,000
this what happened

825
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,399
um and it was it was fascinating to me

826
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:52,240
so you know at the time i was so

827
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,919
fortunate because the investigators who

828
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,279
are prevalent

829
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,039
at that time were people like lloyd

830
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:59,279
auerbach and carrie gainer and people

831
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,320
like that

832
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:02,559
so i mean my whole

833
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:06,080
experience for decades after became i

834
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,840
gotta

835
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:09,760
understand what this is this is amazing

836
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:10,720
um

837
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,840
and yeah lo and behold here i am so

838
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,840
but yeah my whole life all sorts of

839
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,120
stuff happening

840
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:19,279
well i'm a child of the 60s and 70s when

841
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,559
that stuff happened to me i didn't

842
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,039
understand at all what was going on

843
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,880
i mean i didn't live in a haunted house

844
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,279
but i um

845
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,520
you know my first real experience was at

846
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,159
the gettysburg battlefield and

847
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:33,919
amazing that's when it really you know

848
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:36,159
you start thinking oh well you've had it

849
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,600
you've had a thought that something

850
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:39,440
maybe have been going on but you really

851
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,200
didn't know yeah and like you

852
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,279
you you want to know more

853
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,240
oh yeah and it's like yeah now i know

854
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,799
why i'm getting this feeling when

855
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,640
something's around or

856
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,320
you know so

857
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,880
interesting it's it's so cool because

858
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,720
you know this stuff people i think

859
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:00,640
people forget that

860
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,760
you know it it's really about connection

861
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,159
and it's about play and curiosity and

862
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,399
embracing the unknown and

863
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,279
and so much joy i think people miss you

864
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,720
know we we talk about the frightening

865
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,240
stuff and you know that's what people

866
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,600
predominantly see on tv but

867
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,200
statistically 95 percent of people's

868
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,679
experiences are super positive and i

869
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,480
think people miss that aspect of it and

870
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,159
part of the reason why i wanted to write

871
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,880
the book the way i did was to get people

872
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,640
to really understand that

873
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,399
there is a

874
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,200
a joy that comes with this connection to

875
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,000
non-physical that is so amazing and it

876
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,159
can take away the fear of death you know

877
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,679
you can have these incredible

878
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,440
experiences where you realize you know

879
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,600
we're not by ourselves we're not just a

880
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:45,679
meat suit walking around it can be one

881
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:47,360
of the most empowering relationships of

882
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,559
your life

883
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,399
and so that was one of my major

884
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,480
motivations for this was so that people

885
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,880
can realize like this doesn't have to be

886
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,480
something that's terrifying although

887
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:58,159
that's what the shows would like us to

888
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,279
to believe

889
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,240
um that normally it's not and what's so

890
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,000
funny is that

891
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,840
you know if you turn around and say to

892
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:07,360
people have you had a paranormal

893
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,559
experience

894
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,039
oftentimes the people who have had a psy

895
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,039
experience will say no

896
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,360
even though they have maybe you know had

897
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,039
communication from their grandmother or

898
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,880
had communication from a family member

899
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,399
that's passed over

900
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,360
and they don't equate it with paranormal

901
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,919
they equate it with but that was grandma

902
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,039
so

903
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,440
it's interesting like the wording is is

904
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,000
very very important

905
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,640
yeah and especially you're right i mean

906
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,120
that's how it was in my family um

907
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,039
we never talked about the paranormal my

908
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,880
parents had no idea what was going on

909
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,760
with me and uh

910
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:44,799
when

911
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,919
but each of us have had experiences

912
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,080
to where one of our family deceased

913
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,240
family members would communicate with us

914
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:53,519
or

915
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,320
literally manifest in front of us that's

916
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,279
amazing yeah and uh it was just it just

917
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:01,919
seemed like it was part of uh our life

918
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,960
that was the way things should be

919
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:06,480
yeah i don't know if that's the way i

920
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:07,279
was

921
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,799
conservative

922
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,720
lutheran household

923
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,640
you know you don't really consider that

924
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,720
as being much of uh anything to do with

925
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:18,320
the paranormal people believing in the

926
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:19,440
parents

927
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,840
but uh i it seemed to be very

928
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,480
standard

929
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:26,559
at least in our family that yeah you

930
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:27,440
know

931
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,120
the the dead show up sometimes and uh

932
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,840
that's just part of the way things are

933
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:35,919
yeah it's funny because

934
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,960
i've got a very dear friend who is

935
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,519
unbelievably intuitive i mean you almost

936
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,120
classify him as a medium i think i don't

937
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:45,039
think he thinks of himself that way but

938
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,640
he is and it's funny because when we

939
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,760
first met

940
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,120
you know i would talk about the

941
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,760
paranormal and he's quite a bit older

942
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:56,000
than me is elderly now and he would look

943
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,360
at me and he'd be like like what do you

944
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,679
mean by paranormal like what do you mean

945
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,279
and i always thought it was so weird

946
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,679
because i thought you've been

947
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,840
you've been one of these people who you

948
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,679
know you see spirits you talk about them

949
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,679
all the time like he could he was able

950
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,839
to channel incredible i mean it's just

951
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,960
amazing

952
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,800
and uh and he'd be like what do you mean

953
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,960
by paranormal and i'm like well you know

954
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,560
there's and i'd give him the sort of the

955
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:20,560
overview of it and he'd be like

956
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:21,599
oh

957
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,879
that's like what it is you know but

958
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,520
again he like he had no connection with

959
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,599
this word because it was like yeah but

960
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,440
this is just normal like this is who i

961
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,599
talk to this is who i was like what do

962
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,440
you mean it's weird like

963
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,679
i don't understand so yeah it's

964
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,760
interesting i mean my own family

965
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,200
my great great grandfather was the

966
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,359
president of uh the first psychical

967
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,760
research organization in canada um

968
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,560
albert durin watson and um he so he was

969
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:52,879
one of the groundbreakers here in canada

970
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,560
um around parapsychology and he i mean

971
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,800
he put a lot on the line family-wise

972
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,880
career-wise because he was a physician

973
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,680
um a very noted physician and very noted

974
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,240
poet like his house now in ontario is a

975
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,400
historical location

976
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:11,440
um so he was he had a major impact but

977
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,480
at the time it wasn't talked about back

978
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,880
then it was you know you're you're a

979
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,119
physician and this is what you're doing

980
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:20,880
what the hell is wrong with you

981
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,839
um so he put a lot on the line just to

982
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,440
write his two books and put them out

983
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,839
there so i mean you're definitely not

984
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:30,480
alone and the people who you know have

985
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,069
that's so true i mean but like i said

986
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,190
it's funny how

987
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,680
well the family will think something

988
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,440
like that is normal

989
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,000
and i honestly i and this is another

990
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,560
thing that happened to me you know i i

991
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,040
was born and raised in this area and i

992
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:57,119
moved down south i lived down south for

993
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,480
40 years

994
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,240
and then i moved back up here several

995
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,760
years later

996
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:03,680
and uh

997
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,640
when i came back up here

998
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,480
it's almost like a spike it went off of

999
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,880
paranormal activity i'm having people

1000
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:12,960
calling me left and right

1001
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,079
about hauntings in the town itself

1002
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,480
i literally did and now this there was a

1003
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:21,040
there was a well-known case here in its

1004
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,720
hand for pennsylvania there's a

1005
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,040
well-known case

1006
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,839
of a house that was haunted here

1007
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,160
and um

1008
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,240
but i started getting phone calls from

1009
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,560
everybody i it seemed like i had 25

1010
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,200
cases in the first 18 months

1011
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,599
i was here that's amazing and it's funny

1012
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,079
because five of those cases were within

1013
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,000
two blocks of this house

1014
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,079
wow yeah and i didn't even know anything

1015
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,800
about this you know so um

1016
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,320
i don't know you know but it's it's

1017
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,960
almost like um

1018
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,880
it was a trigger went off i and i don't

1019
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,880
i can't explain that

1020
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,040
but uh yeah i mean it it's it's

1021
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:01,040
interesting um

1022
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,400
and here's something i want to ask you

1023
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,079
about in on the show and i asked you

1024
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,079
about it earlier before we started the

1025
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,480
show the use of fire

1026
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,160
in your teaching

1027
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,000
tell us a bit about that

1028
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,079
yeah absolutely so it became a passion

1029
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,400
for me quite a number of years back but

1030
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,200
i'd say seven years ago um i was really

1031
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,760
fortunate enough to have two teachers uh

1032
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:23,760
one from australia and then one from

1033
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,720
edmonton who were brilliant and

1034
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,640
they i really wanted to learn it because

1035
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,240
they were so brilliant at it fire

1036
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,599
breathing and fire eating and things

1037
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:33,440
like that and i was like this is the

1038
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,800
coolest thing and it seemed so

1039
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,040
empowering and i really wanted to

1040
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:38,960
understand this and learn it

1041
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,760
and they were kind enough to to take me

1042
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,160
through and and teach me and what

1043
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:46,880
started for me as you know something

1044
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,920
really amazing to learn and and you know

1045
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,440
begin to master

1046
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,079
it turned into a realization that so

1047
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,400
much of it was about shifting your own

1048
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,839
paradigms

1049
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,079
in terms of how you view the world and

1050
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,560
the stories that you've been told about

1051
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,480
certain things whether it be fire or the

1052
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,760
paranormal or anything else uh and

1053
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,320
really calling into question what you

1054
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:11,920
really know

1055
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,960
about those things so for example um

1056
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,400
with fire

1057
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,400
and one of the things that i talk to my

1058
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,079
my students about or if i'm doing a

1059
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,000
lecture or anything like that is i say

1060
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,320
you know how many people have had the

1061
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,079
talk from their parents you know fire is

1062
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,240
hot don't touch fire it's terrible

1063
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,839
there's no middle ground it will burn

1064
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:31,440
you and of course everybody puts their

1065
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,400
hand up

1066
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,680
and

1067
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,200
i say to them okay

1068
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,359
if i can change your mind about that

1069
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,720
then

1070
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,560
you have to give me a shot at being able

1071
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:42,079
to change your mind about the paranormal

1072
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:42,960
too

1073
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,240
and they'll go ah yeah right all right

1074
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,680
and uh so i start i start working with

1075
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,119
fire right in front of them and there's

1076
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,000
no trick to it it's not magic um there's

1077
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,720
nothing on my hands there's nothing on

1078
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,400
you know i'm not there's nothing i coat

1079
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,480
my mouth with or anything like that it's

1080
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,800
strictly science it's it's understanding

1081
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,960
thermal lag it's understanding fuels

1082
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,200
it's understanding all of these things

1083
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,119
that allow for

1084
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,839
certain tricks at certain times

1085
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,599
and certain manipulations at certain

1086
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,960
times

1087
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,640
and it's it's really quite phenomenal

1088
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,240
and it doesn't mean that fire's not

1089
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,400
dangerous or can't be destructive or

1090
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:22,880
anything like that of course it can

1091
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,599
but it doesn't mean that fire can't be

1092
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,359
touched and handled and certain things

1093
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,720
like that there's a loophole there's

1094
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,920
gray area

1095
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,280
and so

1096
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,440
once they kind of get over that and they

1097
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,359
they realize that i'm not just you know

1098
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,680
fooling around with them um

1099
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,760
then they they really begin to question

1100
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,520
the stories that they were told you know

1101
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,920
as kids oh ghosts aren't real that's

1102
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:46,240
silly that's all science fiction that

1103
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:47,359
can't happen

1104
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:50,480
and so i find it a really great visual

1105
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,359
tool

1106
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,760
uh for people to really begin to

1107
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,400
understand that no no you have to you

1108
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,480
have to start examining what you're

1109
00:40:02,970 --> 00:40:00,720
thinking instead of just believing

1110
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:02,980
everything you think

1111
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,550
nancy wanted to know how you use fire as

1112
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,960
an elemental energy now i know it's an

1113
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:13,440
element it's primal

1114
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,480
uh do you use it like that

1115
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,119
yeah it's what i find about fire is it

1116
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:21,839
it's almost like having a dance partner

1117
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,680
and that dance partner is very alive it

1118
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,240
very much has a mind of its own um it

1119
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,400
can have a bad day

1120
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,079
you know you have to bring the right

1121
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,000
energy to the table when you're using it

1122
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,160
if i'm feeling upset or angry or

1123
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,800
anything like that i don't touch it um

1124
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:40,640
i'm very conscious about the energy that

1125
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,760
i bring to the table with it um because

1126
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,440
i find if you know if there's if

1127
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,680
something's gonna happen it's gonna be

1128
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,640
within that negative emotion so

1129
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,960
i find that fire is something very very

1130
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:54,960
similar to non-physical energy you have

1131
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,240
to respect it you have to be able to

1132
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,400
understand that it is

1133
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,839
going to do what it's going to do you

1134
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:04,720
will never master it it will always

1135
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:07,520
you know have its quirks and even if i'm

1136
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,640
choreographing something uh with it it's

1137
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,079
you know it'll change its mind last

1138
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,920
minute and go do something else then

1139
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,680
you've got to change your choreography

1140
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,319
so it's yeah it's really an interesting

1141
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,240
it's really an interesting element so

1142
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,000
for me yeah it's very much about seeing

1143
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,960
it as something that's organic and uh

1144
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,720
and once you once you can kind of

1145
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,560
understand that then

1146
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:31,040
you you just you bring a new respect and

1147
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,319
you bring a new relationship to the

1148
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,680
table

1149
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,119
you know it's interesting the way you

1150
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,280
described that if you don't feel right

1151
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,599
you're not going to deal with using

1152
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,200
uh i think it's like that with

1153
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:43,440
paranormal or very much helping with

1154
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,400
people

1155
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,680
um

1156
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,920
if i am not feeling up to it if i'm not

1157
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,520
if i'm feeling

1158
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,359
either weak or

1159
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,440
just not right in some respect i am not

1160
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,040
going to get involved with the case at

1161
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,839
least that day anyway yeah i just back

1162
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,440
off because

1163
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,200
there's something telling me right there

1164
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,359
that

1165
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,200
no stay away

1166
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,920
he just back off from it absolutely and

1167
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,920
and you know when whenever you're

1168
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,440
helping somebody no matter what the

1169
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,800
situation is

1170
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:14,960
you know if if you're

1171
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,599
if you're not in the mood or you're not

1172
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,920
up to speed with it or you're not

1173
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,400
your cup's not full and your cup's not

1174
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,079
overflowing then you make the other

1175
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,160
person a thief because the other person

1176
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,319
is then taking from something from you

1177
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,119
that they don't that you don't have and

1178
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,800
they don't even know

1179
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:35,040
so it's it's really one of those things

1180
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,400
where you know you really have to look

1181
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,720
after yourself and to to keep that cup

1182
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,680
full so that you know you can you can

1183
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,680
bring to the table you know all of who

1184
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,599
you are all of your connection because

1185
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,359
sometimes those people and oftentimes

1186
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,680
those people are struggling to find

1187
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,920
theirs

1188
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,680
now in the book you talk about different

1189
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,520
forms of hauntings

1190
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,119
uh

1191
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,200
give it give people what your thoughts

1192
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,960
are on different types of hauntings i

1193
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,440
mean i think each of us have a different

1194
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:05,920
description but

1195
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,800
yeah so um what i've what i've found

1196
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,440
like there's the the the spr has a very

1197
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,839
society psychical research has very

1198
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,160
distinct categories of of hauntings

1199
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,920
which i usually go by during

1200
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,079
investigations but for for people in

1201
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,560
this book i kind of brought them to a

1202
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,960
new i brought them to a sort of a new

1203
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,560
understanding by simplifying things a

1204
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,520
little bit

1205
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,079
so one of the things that i introduced

1206
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,480
was the idea of you know the survival

1207
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,720
research hypothesis which is that we're

1208
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:36,000
interacting with spirits we're

1209
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,160
interacting with um you know people who

1210
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,640
were once here and are now consciousness

1211
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,880
their greater consciousness um and then

1212
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,000
you've got

1213
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,520
something that's a little bit different

1214
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,200
which is the typical

1215
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,640
what we would consider like a negative

1216
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,359
entity so that's something that might be

1217
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,440
for example a thought form that's been

1218
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:57,920
you know birthed from negative emotion

1219
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,800
and we see examples of this in various

1220
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:01,839
uh

1221
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,480
research studies over the years

1222
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,480
one of the concepts behind this which we

1223
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,920
can talk about later was the philip

1224
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,319
experiment in ontario right um yeah

1225
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,640
where and i wrote about that extensively

1226
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,319
as well which is where

1227
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,000
people who focused enough on a made-up

1228
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,920
character actually created a

1229
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,240
consciousness through macrocyclokinesis

1230
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,280
and it was created out of nothing just

1231
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:26,880
pure focus

1232
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,800
and so it leaned it i very much lean

1233
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,160
towards that as a as a strong

1234
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,240
explanation for for negative entities

1235
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,400
and then you've got the stuff that i

1236
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,079
think most people know is as something

1237
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,240
like residual energy where it's things

1238
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,160
in the environment that don't have it's

1239
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:44,319
not conscious it's not in real time it's

1240
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,520
the environment replicating um sounds

1241
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,079
sights uh you know smells and things

1242
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,599
like that that are just replaying the

1243
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,480
environment um so i try to break it down

1244
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,200
into just just super simple formats for

1245
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,560
people that they can kind of get their

1246
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:00,960
heads around a little bit

1247
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:03,839
yeah and uh uh and i i'm wrote about it

1248
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,200
in my my recent book about memes and and

1249
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,760
manifestations yeah uh thought forms

1250
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,599
topos that you know now i've always

1251
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,040
thought there was something a lot to

1252
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,880
them of course i i believe that

1253
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,240
poltergeist

1254
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:18,240
or thought-form manifestations for the

1255
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,359
most part

1256
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,520
uh you know when you go in and start

1257
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,040
dealing with uh

1258
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,599
what turns out to be a fault form it's

1259
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,119
always a human that's

1260
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,280
responsible and unconsciously for it

1261
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,280
happening and you gotta they've got to

1262
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,599
deal with for the most part yeah so yeah

1263
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,240
that's a big part of it i i absolutely

1264
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,960
agree with you and the philip experiment

1265
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,599
i wrote a bit about that as well so yeah

1266
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,839
that's funny um

1267
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,800
go ahead and describe it uh it it was a

1268
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,800
very intriguing sure

1269
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,800
yeah the philip experiment is is

1270
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,359
phenomenal so it it took place in in

1271
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,839
ontario canada and there we go pick a

1272
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,000
great picture um took place in ontario

1273
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,640
canada and it was a experiment designed

1274
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,240
by the toronto society of psychical

1275
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,800
research and mensa the number of people

1276
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,359
from mensa and the idea was that they

1277
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:08,880
were going to

1278
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:12,319
use the old victorian seance sittings

1279
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:15,520
and and processes to see if they could

1280
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,119
conjure a consciousness that was not

1281
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,440
something that was had been living at

1282
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,680
one point or anything like that they

1283
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,119
created a character by the name of

1284
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,160
philip and he had a back story and he

1285
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,319
was super involved it was really really

1286
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,839
interesting he was kind of a sleazy

1287
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,119
character

1288
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,200
and uh he was a murderer he murdered his

1289
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,119
wife and there was this whole thing

1290
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,680
um so they ended up with this this

1291
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,280
character and they focused and focused

1292
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,920
and focused trying to connect with it

1293
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,440
and what was so interesting was that

1294
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,599
they went for quite a long time with no

1295
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,400
results at all and then when they began

1296
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,119
to realize that joy and having fun at

1297
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,680
the sittings was a factor

1298
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,560
uh within a couple of days boom they had

1299
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,440
they had responses and this philip would

1300
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,000
respond to its name it would you know

1301
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:06,960
give information it would um

1302
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,160
uh react to them it would say hi to them

1303
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,640
it was it was very very interactive

1304
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,880
interestingly it would only respond with

1305
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,839
answers that the people in the room knew

1306
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,000
so even if they had the answer wrong it

1307
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,640
would repeat back the wrong answer

1308
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,359
because it was literally a manifested

1309
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:26,640
consciousness

1310
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,119
um it was like a like a symptom of

1311
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:31,839
macrokinesis it was really cool so

1312
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,480
um they replicated this experiment again

1313
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,559
with another group with another

1314
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,359
character named lilith and bam they had

1315
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:42,240
the same reaction right um same thing so

1316
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,119
it was

1317
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,440
to me it's one of the most

1318
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,240
striking and most important studies that

1319
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,280
has ever been done in parapsychology

1320
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,720
yeah i agree with it you know and i'm

1321
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,400
gonna date myself i was living in

1322
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,119
hamilton at the time this happened yep

1323
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,760
and um i knew about i heard about like

1324
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,599
this it was fascinating when the article

1325
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:03,920
started coming out in the canadian press

1326
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,200
about it yeah and uh

1327
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,839
i i've always i've always thought and

1328
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,359
you know you don't you know you don't

1329
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,800
really hear a whole lot about it it's

1330
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:15,680
not a whole mainstream type of um

1331
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,960
uh experiment well until more recent

1332
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:21,200
years when the thought form

1333
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:22,160
uh

1334
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,160
yeah you're right it it is a fascinating

1335
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,040
it is a fascinating uh experiment

1336
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,200
yeah and like you say is not talked

1337
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,280
about and it needs to be talked about

1338
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:38,000
because it's one of those things where

1339
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:38,960
you know

1340
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,079
we we gloss over this this idea of of

1341
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,760
human involvement and i think when

1342
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,400
people think of of pk and psychokinesis

1343
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,200
they think of you know spoon bending and

1344
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,720
that kind of a thing like manipulating

1345
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,880
physical objects in the space they don't

1346
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,040
think about you know a consciousness

1347
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,040
being birthed from thought

1348
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,319
and that's a whole nother ball game

1349
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,040
so you know i think that's one of the

1350
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,359
one of the the key studies that anybody

1351
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,040
who's who's interested in this stuff or

1352
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,599
is going into this stuff initially

1353
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,200
have to read about the philip experiment

1354
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,440
oh absolutely i agree

1355
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,760
i got a question here from james uh what

1356
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:18,079
is required for a dark entity to possess

1357
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,960
you

1358
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,280
it's really interesting because um

1359
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,960
there's i mean there's a plenty of forms

1360
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,280
of uh or thoughts on the idea of

1361
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:28,319
exorcism and things like that um you

1362
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:31,920
know it's depends on what people's take

1363
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,040
is i think on the the idea of exorcism

1364
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,200
um what's interesting is that many of

1365
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:39,119
the people who you know who claim

1366
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,400
they've been possessed and things like

1367
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,359
that many of them are very highly

1368
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,680
religious people which is i find very

1369
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,760
interesting um

1370
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,880
that's something that we have to

1371
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:50,480
acknowledge

1372
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,160
lot of the times when people are

1373
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:55,839
reporting things like possession and

1374
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,280
things like that it really is a

1375
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,000
sort of a factor of of people's state of

1376
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:03,920
expectation as to how this phenomenon

1377
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:06,480
will happen um so i think some of it is

1378
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,040
that um i think there is a strong

1379
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,280
parallel of mental illness that happens

1380
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,880
i know it's not a popular answer but

1381
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,800
it's that's real

1382
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,040
um so there's that angle as well but

1383
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,040
when you get into that very very very

1384
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:21,200
small percentage what i find is that

1385
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:22,480
it's usually the people that are

1386
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:25,680
extremely religious um you know they are

1387
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,520
steeped in extreme negative emotion and

1388
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,760
what's interesting is that in the dsm

1389
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,760
the diagnostic manual for statistical

1390
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,760
medicine right now in the dsm-5 a

1391
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:37,040
colleague of mine was actually the one

1392
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:38,160
who got

1393
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,319
uh possession um put into the dsm-5 his

1394
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,240
name's etsy cardenia

1395
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,599
and interestingly unless you have

1396
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:50,400
x number of you know negative symptoms

1397
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,520
with it

1398
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,599
you're actually not considered possessed

1399
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,359
so for example somebody who's channeling

1400
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,839
something positive like jane roberts or

1401
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,440
esther hicks or somebody like that who's

1402
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,440
getting very very positive messages even

1403
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:03,200
though it's considered technically

1404
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:04,400
possession

1405
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:08,559
disorder as it would be classified the

1406
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,160
dsm-5 um which is really cool so

1407
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,640
it's so it's i'm on the i'm on the fence

1408
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,040
about exactly how you know how the

1409
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,359
mechanics of of that type of thing work

1410
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,040
i think there's a lot of state of

1411
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,200
expectation i think there's a lot of

1412
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,359
people who get wrapped up in paranormal

1413
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,599
phenomenon and it goes a little bit too

1414
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:29,760
far i think so i think there's a

1415
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,480
multitude of of reasons in terms of like

1416
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,599
you know

1417
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:35,119
full on out possession i've not

1418
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,400
witnessed one

1419
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,200
um so i mean i i feel like i can't quite

1420
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,520
comment on that as much as i'd like to

1421
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,119
well i have

1422
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,359
oh okay and i was gonna ask you that i

1423
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,559
was gonna ask you if you have ever been

1424
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:51,040
present at a catholic rights

1425
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:55,920
uh exorcism i have not well i have oh my

1426
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,720
yeah and it's interesting um

1427
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,960
and i'll be honest with you when if if

1428
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,200
i'm doing a case and i believe it's

1429
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,359
going to that extreme where there is

1430
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,079
actually possession i tell them you know

1431
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,000
call the you know call your priest or

1432
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,839
call your pastor even your pastor will

1433
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,480
do it uh because i am not going that

1434
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:16,960
deep yeah you know i have on two

1435
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,880
occasions i have been at a house

1436
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:22,160
working

1437
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,960
and

1438
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,800
in walks the priest ring walks the

1439
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:26,000
pastor

1440
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:27,119
and they're like

1441
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,720
i'm asking them

1442
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:30,800
you know what the hell is this all about

1443
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,920
and um i actually saw a priest running

1444
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,319
out of the house one time

1445
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:38,880
he got scared yeah yeah i believe it

1446
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,680
yeah uh you know they they they think i

1447
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,359
think and i i don't like saying this

1448
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,640
because i've got a lot of catholic

1449
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:45,680
friends

1450
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,800
but i

1451
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,359
don't think they really

1452
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:52,400
are ready for what may happen at some

1453
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,599
point

1454
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,520
and uh

1455
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:58,160
yeah the whole experience is pretty

1456
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,280
bizarre

1457
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,760
it really is and and it was fascinating

1458
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,440
when you you look at the people who

1459
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:04,800
who've had this happen and their

1460
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,599
histories you always see a number of a

1461
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,599
number of factors that i think relate

1462
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,440
directly to this discussion which is

1463
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,280
there's usually some sort of a trauma

1464
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:14,880
that just started

1465
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,839
the spiral um you know for example like

1466
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:19,200
it's you know they've they've lost a

1467
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:20,720
loved one and have not dealt with it

1468
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,680
well um there's been abuse in the family

1469
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:25,920
um there's been is something that's gone

1470
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,960
on that's traumatic again that is being

1471
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,520
left to fester that is kind of bleeding

1472
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,839
into their world um you know it usually

1473
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,640
doesn't start with something as extreme

1474
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,880
as like possession you know there's

1475
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,440
other these other little bits and pieces

1476
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,599
that sort of get bled out here and there

1477
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,200
and usually they're saying you know all

1478
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:46,559
this was going on in the house or that

1479
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,920
was going on in the house and it was it

1480
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,920
was terrifying and so on and so forth so

1481
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,440
it's like all these little warning signs

1482
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,040
are happening right but they're getting

1483
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,400
they're either getting pushed aside or

1484
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:55,599
ignored or the family doesn't know what

1485
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:56,480
to do

1486
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,440
um

1487
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,440
and you know and it just escalates and

1488
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,599
escalates but anytime you're getting

1489
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,559
somebody who is you know in that state

1490
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,040
of negative emotion it will express

1491
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:10,319
itself somehow and whether it be through

1492
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:12,079
you know something like multiple

1493
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,760
personality disorder like dissociative

1494
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,599
identity disorder whether it be through

1495
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,720
something like

1496
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,440
um you know like uh what what seems to

1497
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,520
be like a possession whether it be you

1498
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:23,920
know external psychokinesis stuff that's

1499
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,640
going on it will express itself somehow

1500
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,400
or a thought form or whatever and i

1501
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:29,760
think when it comes down to something

1502
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,480
like possession it's another expression

1503
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,319
of that whatever that trauma is that's

1504
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,000
going on that's just been unhealed and

1505
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,400
undealt with no i agree with you it's

1506
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,400
always a progression yeah it always

1507
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,799
starts with something very small from

1508
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,839
way back in yeah it seems to compound

1509
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,920
itself and um

1510
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,359
unfortunately

1511
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,040
it's almost like pulling teeth when you

1512
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:53,200
talk to the you know when you talk to

1513
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,880
the client about that

1514
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:57,200
uh and to get them to open up

1515
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,880
yeah and a lot of times they don't

1516
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,440
remember much of it i mean something has

1517
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,920
happened you know i don't necessarily

1518
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,160
recommend hypnotic regression in some

1519
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,839
cases but it does help sometimes

1520
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,960
but

1521
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,680
i you know i think that's um

1522
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,440
there's there always does seem to be not

1523
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:17,040
you know it's interesting how the human

1524
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:18,400
mind will

1525
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,280
uh

1526
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:20,960
kind of gloss over things that are

1527
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,599
traumatic and you know not be able to

1528
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:25,599
recall your person not able to recall

1529
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,599
them later on but uh unconsciously it's

1530
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,480
there

1531
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,040
yeah well and the body recalls it you

1532
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,960
know the like the body knows like

1533
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:36,880
whether we're conscious of it or not the

1534
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,760
body knows like we know intuitively like

1535
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,040
something's not right even though we

1536
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,720
don't know what it is we might not be

1537
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:45,200
able to put our finger on it but you

1538
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,119
know like once you when you really take

1539
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,960
that that deep dive into yourself and

1540
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,599
you sit and you really feel

1541
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,400
you know when something's off and it's

1542
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:56,160
so easy for us to just gloss over

1543
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,520
especially when it's something that we

1544
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,200
don't want to look at

1545
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,200
and so you know it's

1546
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,359
you can understand i think why

1547
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:06,079
people are just

1548
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,839
you know adverse to going there it's

1549
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,680
like okay you know what i'll do anything

1550
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:11,920
to fix this except for that i'll do

1551
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,000
anything but there but unfortunately

1552
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,400
there is usually where your healing is

1553
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,040
so it's like we've we've got to go there

1554
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,760
and once that's dealt with and i mean

1555
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,000
and and this will happen through many

1556
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,480
exorcism processes as well where it's

1557
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,319
actually about calling that person

1558
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,400
forward with positive memories which is

1559
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:32,559
one of the techniques that they use is

1560
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,359
like look at over here come see this you

1561
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,880
know comes come see the positive

1562
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,640
emotions and the positive photographs

1563
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,720
and you know remember when your family

1564
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,720
did this and that and you had these

1565
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,480
great memories and it's interesting

1566
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:46,319
because it's this slow guided thought

1567
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,359
process

1568
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:49,920
back to a more a more

1569
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:52,319
lighter state of being and so it's it's

1570
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,520
really it's interesting because it's

1571
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,480
even present in there

1572
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,799
so um why don't you tell folks how they

1573
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,799
can contact you what you've got coming

1574
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,119
up and uh you know about your book and

1575
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:05,839
how they can get a hold of it you bet so

1576
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,280
my main website is entityseeker.ca

1577
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,000
and i've got all of my my some of my

1578
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,000
live shows are there my videos are there

1579
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,480
um you can pick up my book teaching the

1580
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,000
living from heartbreak to happiness in a

1581
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:19,839
haunted home uh the links are on the

1582
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,440
website as well um as well as tons of uh

1583
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:25,119
you know my interviews and my program

1584
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,640
spiritual health care

1585
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:29,200
there is also a link to my current

1586
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:30,799
podcast which is supernatural

1587
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,200
circumstances with the amazing mike

1588
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,079
brown of dark poutine and we

1589
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,559
interview the best parapsychologists and

1590
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:40,880
the most i think the most eye-opening

1591
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,240
people in the world um who are at the

1592
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,119
forefront of this information they are

1593
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,440
are brilliant and they are the ones like

1594
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,000
today we actually talked to uh dr

1595
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:54,640
mark bokotzi because he's dealing doing

1596
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,440
mediumship and ai experiments which is

1597
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,599
phenomenal um

1598
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,359
so that airs

1599
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,359
literally on any podcast platform you

1600
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:05,680
can you can imagine you just pick one

1601
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:09,119
and download it um and uh yeah the

1602
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,640
season four of haunted hospitals should

1603
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,119
be out uh in the next little while it's

1604
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:15,119
i've finished shooting that in january

1605
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:16,880
um so hopefully that will be that will

1606
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:20,160
be out soon um and yeah there's always

1607
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,000
projects there's always something going

1608
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,480
on so entityseeker.ca that's your that's

1609
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,200
the hub you'll figure it all out

1610
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,799
well this has been a fascinating

1611
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,960
conversation i'm so glad you came on

1612
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,960
with me

1613
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,720
when the other book comes out of course

1614
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,160
we're have to get you to come back and

1615
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:38,000
we'll talk about it

1616
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,599
so you take care have a great weekend

1617
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:42,240
and i will talk to you soon you too see

1618
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,630
so uh if you've had an unexplained

1619
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,559
encounter or sighting feel free to

1620
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,040
contact me directly at uh law inspector

1621
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,040
phantomsomemonsters.com

1622
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,040
or through the phantoms of monsters blog

1623
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,319
site also if uh you would like to have

1624
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:04,400
your encounter or sighting read on the

1625
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,520
show

1626
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:08,160
please forward it to my email we plan on

1627
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,359
starting

1628
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,319
a separate show where i will be reading

1629
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,000
cases and such

1630
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,480
that have been posted on fam's monsters

1631
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,480
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1632
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,640
research team have been working on

1633
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:23,280
and uh you know your your new

1634
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,319
experiences as well so uh send them to

1635
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:28,079
me and let me know that you want them

1636
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,520
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1637
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,160
so again i want to thank morgan knutson

1638
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,400
for joining me this evening

1639
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,640
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1640
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1649
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1650
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,280
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1651
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:03,839
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1652
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,920
author ken gerhart

1653
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:08,079
uh we're going to catch up with ken talk

1654
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,440
about some of the newer investigations

1655
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,000
he's been involved with uh he's been a

1656
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,119
busy guy too so as well as um

1657
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,119
also a few other

1658
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:21,839
interesting surprises may pop up as well

1659
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,960
so be sure to tune in so until next week

1660
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:26,640
stay healthy and have a safe and

1661
01:00:53,330 --> 01:01:03,829
[Music]

1662
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:10,940
so

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01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:16,549
[Music]

1664
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:24,620
so